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Black Thursday

Black Friday is two days away, but retailers are looking to get an even earlier start with sales before Thanksgiving dinner is served.

And if you don't want to wait in-line tomorrow you can go on-line right now.
Several stores are getting the jump on Cyber Monday with big online savings.
   
The holiday shopping rush is here
Retailers expect 140 million Americans will hit the stores this holiday weekend.
For retailers, it's an all-out war for their cash.

Those 'Black Friday' deals being rolled out earlier than ever before.
Toys r us, Walmart and Kohls all opening their doors on Thanksgiving evening
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But some holiday sales posted online *today* Target, Kmart, and Sears all getting a jump on Cyber Monday.

Turf is changing now and retailers are making it more convenient for the consumer to shop in the way that works best for them.
But *some* retailers say they plan to honor the day of family and feast -- with their doors closed.

We are not going to let corporate retailers rule over our family values and take this away from us.
Nordstrom, Bed Bath and Beyond and most Apple stores won't open until Black Friday proper.

So how good are this year's deals?
Everything is always discounted, so is that really a deal?
Experts say often the discount is built into the price and that cheaper

Product, might not be everything you hoped for.
I bought a laptop for a couple hundred bucks, and it was probably the worst laptop I've ever bought."

Consumer advocates say to use the '30 percent rule' to evaluate a deal. Most stores expect to sell items at 30 percent off - so discounts higher than those are the real deals.